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[綜合]無題 [3篇回應]
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[綜合]無題 [61篇回應]
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【心得】以一個對岸人的身份談談還願「彩蛋」
https://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?page=1&bsn=33763&snA=222&subbsn=0
首先，因為我的帖子可能損害了大家玩遊戲的心情，說聲「抱歉」。

進入正題，猶記得《還願》發售當天，大陸各大直播平台上「等待下載」刷屏的盛況，每個熱愛遊戲的人都很喜悅、很期待，因為繼《返校》之後，我們終於玩到了赤燭遊戲的第二款作品。大家都沒有忘記《返校》帶給我們的驚喜，給予了《還願》很大的支持……

果不其然，《還願》沒有讓我們失望，遊戲質量的過硬，使這款遊戲掀起了新的熱潮。不論是討論美心命運的悲慘，還是邪教與迷信的罪惡，人們喜愛著《還願》的一切……緊接著，就是線下活動的轉載，大家都在誇製作組「厲害」、「有用心在做遊戲」；兩百萬人的ACG社區「bilibili吧」的還願發帖量爆表，使得眾人調侃「你們不是bilibili吧，是還願吧」；lofter上的還願同人短短兩天就有了3000+，精美的繪畫和文章下面，是清一色的「哭爆」與「荷老師出來受死」，讓人心酸又忍俊不禁……

當然也有不和諧的聲音，有人質疑為什麼邪教叫「陸心會」，邪教頭叫「陸恭銘」；這個時候大家很團結地噴回去：「玩個遊戲也帶政治，不累嗎？」。因為大家相信傳播「花與愛」的赤燭不會以夾帶私貨為樂，相信除開沒完沒了的統獨嘴鬥，兩岸人民還有心平氣和討論的淨土……

一切都因ptt上的一篇分析貼而煙消雲散。
我看了帖子，內心沒什麼波動，因為罵的是習，習不能代表我，甚至不能代表大陸；可轉眼間心臟又開始抽痛，因為這代表了前面的那些猜測都是真的……習被罵我懶得管，但我若要是連自己「陸公民」的身份都開始否認，是不是太下賤？！我看到輿論在發酵，評論在反轉，玩家們紛紛倒戈；過去兩天的歡笑顯得無比滑稽，所有的期待與熱議都像夢一般不真實……那片淨土，還沒多少人登上，就淹沒在了海潮中……

我問自己的朋友，為什麼罵這麼狠，是因為政治上的不和嗎？他說：「不，我罵赤燭是因為感覺被欺騙。」誰能想到就在一天前他還轉載steam的銷量榜單給大家看，嘆息《還願》沒有賣出更多呢？

我也是《還願》的玩家，一個普通的對岸人，或者對岸的「滯納」。我覺得這個彩蛋卑鄙，因為它如此隱秘；我對這個彩蛋感到反胃，因為它不懷好意；我支持了《還願》，它卻反過來說我是邪教徒，這種背叛與欺騙的感覺讓我心碎，也讓我覺得所謂「淨土」是多麼渺茫的存在……

我不站習，因為他的當選沒有我的選票；我不站民粹，因為中東連年的戰亂為我敲響警鐘；我只想用掃帚掃掉我破碎一地的「玻璃心」，只想關閉一切社軟和論壇，只想拉著美心逃向沒有壞人的阿里山……

最後呢，我想笑笑赤燭……為什麼，要讓污臟的政治沾染自己，要讓支持你的人如此傷心？

赤燭不知道自己找到了治病的方法，我惋惜地看著那一片片鬱金香田燃燒著，在互相怨恨的火焰中化作灰燼。
此文不回復，只是單純抒發自己觀點而已。再次因為破壞遊戲體驗向大家道歉。
[綜合]無題 [43篇回應]
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有島民和我一樣嗎?
本來很討厭還願的
因為跟風廚加上工讀生各種吹捧
一點想玩的感覺都沒有
結果現在跑出一堆崩潰賤畜
反而開始想支持了
[綜合]無題 [8篇回應]
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我覺得這一切都在赤燭的預料之中

首批賣不好　叫好不叫座　才賣出十萬　

接下來就流出遊戲內容有貶低中國主席是維尼小熊的符咒

使遊戲在中國被下架封殺　來增加遊戲的討論度　

反中玩家湧入各大討論板　說是要支持台灣遊戲　相繼購買

目地成功　炒作一波　目前銷量呈倍數成長

所以我認為這一切都是赤燭在炒作政治話題

而蓄意在遊戲中放入政治敏感話題的素材

來操弄兩岸人民的情緒互相攻擊　達到熱度

製作遊戲的心思放在炒作　而非遊戲　令人感到捥惜
[綜合]無題 [42篇回應]
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有啥好道歉的？

事實證明只要對中國人民的胃口，他們還不是拿去用
[綜合]無題 [24篇回應]
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我認為茶是地球上最好喝的飲料

其他飲料應該廢除

響茶的品質最主要的因素有兩個 一個是海拔 一個是季節

海拔高的茶一定是比較好的 但是數量也少 市面上大多淺山茶

冬天的茶優於春夏的茶 但是冬天茶葉生長慢 產量也相對少

茶廠主要是賺冬茶

但夏天的茶便宜表示他不好嗎 其實不是

只是春夏茶葉生長快 產量高 價格自然往下壓 製程是一樣的

我有親戚家開茶廠 600~5000的茶都喝過

除了4000以上的茶喝得出不同 明顯提升的茶香口感

500跟2000的其實差異不算大

飲料店茶梗茶末泡的廉價茶 一杯賣30你也買 嫌500的茶濫

哀 綜合就是有這麼多沒見識的外行
[綜合]無題 [36篇回應]
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哇幹 這樣支那是不是又自打嘴巴了wwww
[綜合]無題 [80篇回應]
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傻逼
為了一時炒作 即使紅於一時
然後卻永遠斷了一條最大的財路
對誰有好處？讓台獨份子爽了一把 然後呢？
倒楣的還是自己 跟錢途過不去w
[綜合]無題 [11篇回應]
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島民以前不是都很自豪不跟風嗎
怎麼看最近的討論跟ptt和巴哈有夠像wwww
[綜合]無題 [12篇回應]
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「還願」裡的何老師，其實就是在反諷台灣人，把民主當成是慈孤觀音在拜，
信仰過頭的情況，把民主當成是絕對正義下，所造成的壞結局，
你可以仔細去推敲去想想，現況是否如此？
目前開發還願的赤燭遊戲公司為了止血，已連續發表好幾篇道歉聲明，
並在更新裡移除遊戲中嘲諷中國國家主席習近平是維尼小熊的符咒，
並且把錯誤集中到團隊裡不具名的某位成員身上，
但是我們永遠不知道他的身份，暗示這個人就是何老師，
赤燭道歉的內容，提到惡搞調皮的代價是無條件退款及失去投資廠商，
後續要承擔所有合約的損失賠償，道歉信中，
所有的創辦人的名字在最後列成一排強調失職，
呼應了杜爸爸把美心泡七天結局時坐在椅子上的後悔莫及，
還願正好發售快滿七天，在一片好評下，最終被反撲成褒貶不一的最好案例，
人的價值不在於你身在民主國家還是共產國家，
還願，其實就是仗著民主去攻擊共產，利用民主的光環執行的假正義，
民主被有心人當成武器利用，就如同慈孤觀音一樣。
[綜合]無題 [13篇回應]
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我認為玻璃瓶裝奧利多才是最好喝的飲料

其他飲料應該廢除
[綜合]無題 [9篇回應]
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出社會6年了 對於異性交往 我觀察出一個結論
窮矮肥禿都不是交不到女友的根本原因
看過22K有女友 看過160有165的女友 看過禿子胖子有女友(下略
"沉默內向 不會說話"才是男生的致命傷
阿諛奉承 外向 臉皮厚反而能抱得美人歸 記住這點吧島民
[綜合]無題 [27篇回應]
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小獵醬是不是變猿人了
[新番捏他]食戟之靈 299 [30篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=613885
[新番捏他]電鋸人 10 [42篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=613934
[新番捏他]學不來 問99 [38篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=614200
[新番捏他]公主連結 動畫化 [102篇回應]
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錢多系列
[新番捏他]王者祭典 12 [46篇回應]
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https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=72487581

還是一樣好看...讚!
[四格]無題 [4篇回應]
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隱形眼鏡手裏劍

https://twitter.com/HHy9i/status/1098866192410849280
[女性角色]1001 [23篇回應]
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外表跟服裝都頗色氣
但是人氣低迷到連Google大神都完全沒有被侵蝕的現象
雖然黑肉市場有一定的侷限性
但是也有尼托這個成功的前例在
果然除了劇本太差以外
就是這個厚唇接受度太低了嗎
[四格]無題 [34篇回應]
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[女性角色]杜美心 [430篇回應]
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還有呼吸嗎？
[女性角色]陸奧改二 [24篇回應]
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不要玩陸奧
[綜合]無題 [19篇回應]
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晚ㄤ
最近島上都在討論還願
該跟風ㄇ?
[綜合]無題 [4篇回應]
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來畫畫喔
https://aggie.io/8ocvw12409
[綜合]無題 [26篇回應]
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>>其實我覺得中間的人臉有點像是學姊
[綜合]無題 [76篇回應]
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好島民 讚!

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1006510/discussions/0/1796278072836156944/
[綜合]無題 [25篇回應]
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再繼續拿政治做遊戲啊
當初怎麼紅的現在就怎麼死的www
[綜合]無題 [49篇回應]
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窮人靠念書翻身，在台灣絕對不是幹話
因為台灣學費太便宜了，學貸又氾濫，
只要能考上，一定能唸完。
假設以年薪百萬為翻身的目標， 台清交成中字輩的二類熱門科系
只能要進去，好好拚4年，成績別太差， 應該都很有機會
如果可以摸到醫牙的話，那就更能翻轉階級。
可是問題來了，很多人會覺得， 想考進台清交成中醫牙， 要自己很聰明，或者花大錢補習才可以
但窮人多半沒有這兩個要件，所以無法翻身。
其實這是一個迷思，像學測指考這種大考
真的很刁鑽艱深
IQ很高才能解出來的題目，絕對是少數， 大部分的題目只要你把教科書念爛
就算是死記填鴨也好，也已經足夠應付了
說穿了就是把自己訓練成考試機器而已， 不需要多聰明，只需要夠努力。
而且現在網路發達， 圖書館有免費電腦，到處也有免費wifi， 窮人家要翻身的資源更多了
只要你願意努力，台灣的環境絕對可以讓你脫離貧窮， 起碼到達年薪百萬
這一個基本的脫貧門檻。
然而最大的問題，是人窮志短， 不相信自己可以靠努力讀書脫貧
反而自我放棄，每天渾渾噩噩度日， 當你不聰明、不有錢、又不努力
自由民主的國家本來就沒義務要幫你脫貧，頂多賞你一口飯吃不要餓死，生病有健保用而已。
當然不讀書也是一條路，只是辛苦一點， 然而只要你持續努力，有設立明確的目標，正確的方向， 辛苦個5、6年，最後還是幾乎都能解決貧窮這個問題
[綜合]無題 [19篇回應]
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歐美人是不是不擅長感情戲 他們是不是本來感情就比較平淡的人種

美劇或好萊塢電影雖然緊張刺激

但都沒像看支那後宮劇一樣看了會熱淚盈眶…
[四格]全站封鎖！《還願》慘遭bilibili站封鎖 [413篇回應]
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[綜合]無題 [86篇回應]
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哇幹 又道歉了一次 看來支那狗吠很兇ㄛ= =
[綜合]無題 [19篇回應]
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島民曾經多久不出家門阿?
從21號早上下班到現在我完全沒有出過租屋處的門
連走到租屋處的公共區域都沒有
再過一小時就要去上班了 突然感覺這樣好廢...
[綜合]無題 [24篇回應]
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每次貼完作品後過一兩天再開來看
總有種偏負面的情緒不斷產生
加上現在執勤的岡哨蚊子爆多 越來越不爽
好在爆出了個維尼符咒心裡有稍微開心一點

大家有什麼想問的嗎
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為什麼赤燭老是喜歡搞一些政治小動作，

去鬧中國去酸中國對他們的遊戲有什麼好處嗎？

好的遊戲製作人會刻意讓自己的遊戲沾染上這麼濃厚的政治意圖嗎？

赤燭做都做了，肯定是背後動機不單純，

你冷靜下來仔細思考，

中國雖強，但世界反中潮流的聲浪也不弱，

我認為赤燭就是看上了反中的效應，心思放在逆向操作，

讓討厭中國的人來買單，炒作銷售量和話題性，

這才是赤燭的心機，赤燭自己本身就是慈孤觀音，

這些挺還願的人，就是遊戲中像杜爸爸那樣的信徒，

自己被利用了，都不知道。
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不管兩岸有什麼恩仇
在遊戲裡面這樣公開侮辱一個國家的元首
確實是過份了 過頭了
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結果今天只完成紫苑
明天再完成剩下兩個
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島民　釣魚真好玩在巴哈釣愛支病說出要攻擊政府（物理）
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島民這真是太神奇了...我家老害...不對，今天就稱他為老爸好了
以往他都是舔支舔不完的，三不五時就是在講台灣多爛不能和大陸比、還有美國多壞多壞等等；

初四還初五他去上海玩（我們上海有親戚），今天才回來
實際上他現在退休生活，也這樣自己去過幾次了，每次回來舔支程度都有增無減
但剛剛和他吃飯，他突然”不舔支”了！而且開始拼命的罵共產黨！？

好像這陣子對岸到哪裡都在安檢，上個廁所也要問話，甚至還拿金屬探測器在檢查，搞到他很不爽
還和哪邊的親戚爭論起共產黨的問題

他轉述的內容
親戚：共產黨改了很多統治的很好
我爸：到處封鎖消息到處安檢天到晚對台灣文攻武嚇，哪裡有比較好？
襪幹，虧他敢在那講這種話
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他們不是應該罵嗎？
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https://steamcommunity.com/app/1006510/discussions/0/1796278072836162889/

誰來幫幫忙
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幫..幫復
[綜合]赤燭這次真的是傷害了太多人了 [39篇回應]
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無本文
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最後的哈根打死都沒有剩，這樣要怎麼多拿幾個回家吃啊
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符咒四周寫著「呢嘛叭唭」（諧音：你媽87)
符咒中間的紅印是「習近平小熊維尼」(篆體)

不愧是還願 又來個政治
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我的看法拉
這次赤燭行銷打的還滿成功的阿
第一次的返校 第二次的還願 都帶有政治色彩的遊戲
只要這次五毛風波能夠撐得下去
相信大家都會期待下一次遊戲又會是要婊甚麼人物 政黨 甚至國家
反正五毛只玩盜版 少了他們的市場也不痛不癢
反倒是這次的宣傳還滿成功的嘛
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一個國家民主自由
不代表容許別的國家可以利用民主自由的風氣來侵害這個國家的主權

歐美國家對於這個概念都很清楚
但感覺台灣人都很容易被支那人"因為你民主自由所以要聖人做到底打不能還手"的論調呼嚨
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有人一定以為赤燭不是故意的、可能被美工惡搞
我們來看遊戲製作的分工吧
編劇寫好稿 >> 拿給創辦人看 >> 拿給企劃或監製加強場景的描述和細節 >> 美工按照企劃的要求和劇本製造 >> 程式設計
所以整間公司每個人都一定清楚的WWWWW
[綜合]赤燭《還願》埋梗小熊維尼風波延燒 發行商宣布終止合作並將求償 [46篇回應]
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由赤燭遊戲團隊研發的《還願》獲得玩家廣大注目，

然而有玩家近日挖出遊戲的符咒中暗藏與中國國家主席習近平等有關字句，

引發中國網友不滿、湧進 Steam 平台給予大量負評。《

還願》中國發行商 Indievent 與中國以外地區發行商唯晶科技

今日發表聲明終止合作關係，

唯晶聲明中甚至將要要求赤燭賠償經濟損失。

https://gnn.gamer.com.tw/1/175841.html
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赤燭遊戲 － Red Candle Games
12 分鐘 ·

大家好，今天因為美術素材的風波，辜負了玩家朋友們長期以來對赤燭遊戲的支持與厚愛，謹代表赤燭遊戲，在這邊跟大家鄭重道歉。

稍早為了能盡早在第一時間與大家說明，我們很倉促地發了一篇聲明，但很顯然地我們還有許多事情無法透過那簡短的文字交代清楚。

事情起於一位成員在美術素材中置放一段文字，由於專案期間每個人各忙於其職，這件事情發生時，其他赤燭成員是不知情的。一直到2/21有玩家朋友提報團隊成員才發現到這件事情，因此在發現當下即緊急地置換了美術素材。

這不是赤燭的立場，也不是還願這部作品的本意，但即便是個人行為也該由團體一起承擔，對於傷害了大家，我們深深感到抱歉，赤燭遊戲是因為玩家朋友們而走到今天，沒有你們我們不可能會有返校以及還願，我們最最不該的就是辜負你們的信任，這不是我們所望，但今天傷害確實造成了，這一點我們無法逃避。因為美術素材的文字問題，以及沒有在第一時間顧慮到大家的心情，赤燭遊戲在此與大家道歉。

同時，除了玩家朋友們，我們也想與支持我們的直播主、媒體朋友致上深深地道歉，我們辜負了你們的信任。在此也重申，這件事情的發生，我們的合作發行商Indievent以及還願專案投資人唯晶科技是完全不知情的，目前與他們的合作關係已終止，相關損失我們也會依合約承擔。

赤燭遊戲是起於一群單純喜愛遊戲的人，成立這四年來，很感謝各方的厚愛、批評與指教，但在專案管理的失職，我們責無旁貸。目前還願已經在Steam中國區全面下架，Steam也會協助相關退款事宜。

赤燭遊戲共同創辦人
楊適維 姚舜庭 王瀚宇 王漢偉 江東昱 陳敬恆
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