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https://www.plurk.com/p/n6zhcj

所以比還願更紅不知道幾百倍的那些熱門ACG角色也會有東西借助意念得到力量實體化嗎
[綜合]本日頭版 [41篇回應]
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幹...杜美心的配音員還真的參加過歌唱比賽
而且長的超可愛的...
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以後遇到支那人
貼這張圖就可以了

退支咒風靡全球
[綜合]無題 [12篇回應]
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召喚有在抱抱枕當老婆的島民
抱枕套一般使用期多長?

指甲有好好在修和磨
可是指甲附近的皮膚就很乾燥會輕微勾到
腳掌腳底的也是乾燥會有同樣問題
然後網上看討論 連鬍鬚磨擦多了也會加快起毛的情況?!
不能把臉貼上老婆上 也太難受了吧

要注意的東西比和女友做愛還要細心得多
抱枕島民救我
[綜合]無題 [20篇回應]
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我發現島上有一堆眼紅肥宅
他們總是瞧不起主流，看不慣自己沒接觸但卻大紅的事物（海賊王、你的名字、動朋、vtuber、佐賀殭屍、還願......）
只要發現其他人都在討論那項東西，就會憤怒的破口大罵
蠻橫的強迫別人離開自己的視線範圍
然而卻不知道自己反而才是少數wwww
[綜合]無題 [67篇回應]
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嚇到影片都刪了

國產遊戲 嘻嘻
[綜合]無題 [31篇回應]
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這段時間看到很多爬過來罵人的支那
好奇觀察了下牠們的罵人方式 發現牠們好像罵人三句離不開媽
什麼你媽死了、可憐你沒媽等等

我個人覺得問候媽媽系列的髒話中最有力的就是幹你娘/幹破你娘了
加入其他多餘的東西拿來罵人就整個變得很沒威力
我記得牠們的髒話明明也可以很千變萬化 為什麼現在只剩這套了?
是因為太多禁字根本打不出來了嗎?
[綜合]無題 [32篇回應]
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幹你娘痛風睡不著啦糙

要死啦幹幹幹幹幹幹幹
[綜合]無題 [79篇回應]
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昨天就有島民講真話了
台灣人滿腦只會拿政治作遊戲
結果還真的拿政治做彩蛋出事了
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[綜合]無題 [6篇回應]
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雙重標準
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遊戲「還願」中酸習近平是小熊維尼，旁邊還放四個字諧音「你媽白痴」，

仇中的人失去理智，因為對中國的仇恨，

認為這起事件，罵人媽媽、幫人取外號，是對的，只是開玩笑、小幽默，

是中國小雞肚腸、小題大作，

我覺得很可悲，這件事情明明錯在遊戲公司，

但卻還有人認為這件事錯不在赤燭，

我就問，

你叫什麼名字，你媽媽叫什麼名字，你有本事就留言，

我直接罵你媽媽，看你能不能接受，

如果你認為可以這樣罵人媽媽是白痴，還是正確的話，

簡直無可救藥。

仇中不代表你可以言語霸凌人家的父母，這是我的立場，請你不要嘻皮笑臉。
[綜合]無題 [109篇回應]
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工讀生還有呼吸嗎
不是說評價最準
壓倒性好評就一定是神GAME嗎
現在會不會改口說評論可操控 只能當參考
還不快找更多工讀生洗回壓倒性好評
[綜合]無題 [23篇回應]
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台灣果然還是政治狂熱
說什麼年輕人不關心政治是假的

一個小遊戲放一些觸怒支那人的梗就被捧成神作
難怪一邊喊著金剛不算中資、一邊嗆中共的館長會被當神捧wwww
[綜合]想交女朋友的粗乃丸 [9篇回應]
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島島聽我縮...
最近覺得女人好可怕

最近比較積極的想要認識女生
也認識幾位
剛開始聊天...
發現都很快的問一個問題"你平常都怎麼上班的?" "你都搭捷運喔?"

然後我都說我習慣騎車或是搭大眾運輸，比較方便

接著幾乎都被質問怎麼不買車呢...
好像沒有車就被鄙視

然後最近我下定決心想要買車了
有位女生直接跟我說她喜歡BMW，不然的話LEXUS也可以

我的預算馬3就是極限了...

有種想放棄，把錢省下來在家繼續看動漫就好的想法 QQ
[綜合]無題 [31篇回應]
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[綜合]無題 [68篇回應]
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http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/452031970/devotion-taiwan-topselling-indie-horror
4ch的回應裡面有一則
Isn't Taiwan Chinese? Why do they hate each other?
這就是現實 在別國人眼裡 台灣=中國 他們並不會知道你們的區別
[綜合]無題 [30篇回應]
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幹破你娘狗屎爛國軍咧
我爸說今天他媽機掰垃圾兵役科又打來說要教召我
每年都我
說電腦選的智障才相信咧
幹你大嬸婆的臭機掰國軍
幹
乖乖服完兵役的要去教召
各種逃兵的什麼事都沒有
狗屎爛國
[綜合]無題 [9篇回應]
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我這邊有一個大膽的猜測
絕對不是內部的員工告訴我的喔 如果有雷同純屬巧合

大家都知道還願製作團隊的上一個作品是反校吧
說的是當年台灣白色恐怖時代背景下的一個悲傷的故事 然後包裝成恐怖遊戲這樣

在那之後的下一個作品其實有提出兩個企劃
一個講的是1980~1985台灣的迷信與民間習俗 就是你看到的還願
另一個講的是1987~1990年 台灣大陸開放兩岸探親接著發生64天安門事件的歷史
悲劇(為背景下的一個小人物的故事) 我們先暫定這遊戲叫「噤聲」好了
(聽說英文名叫"Detection")

當初「噤聲」這個企劃的呼聲最高 完美呼應返校這個題材的風格
就是結合大時代下政治與歷史悲劇，以此為背景的小故事
不過想也知道這個企劃會被上面的大頭否決 太刺激中共了

但制作團隊就也是沒在怕的啦 好故事就該拿出來賣啊 大不了就不賣中國市場而已
所以當時內部就私下討論過 打算先推出還願 然後在裡面放一個小熊維尼的彩蛋
過陣子再有意無意公開這個彩蛋 不意外的等被中國打壓的時候再順勢推出「噤聲」

「返校detention」「還願devotion」「噤聲detection」三部曲打開通往世界的大門
讓赤燭以遊戲開發為手段 站上華人文化藝術的頂點
這才是這個團隊最終的目的 反正大陸也賣不了幾千套

大家都知道恐怖片、恐怖遊戲這種東西吧
真正的恐怖是能把恐怖原素結合生活中的體驗
例如大家看七夜怪譚 故事本身沒什麼 但就是恐怖在每當你看電視的時候
會想到劇中貞子走出電視的那一幕 與生活非常的貼近
而美國的恐怖片大法帥 我們華人看覺得沒什麼 就有一幕四腳倒著走比較獵奇而已
但是大法師的恐怖是基於宗教氛圍下的西方基督徒才能體會的

而「噤聲」呢？在當下中共治理下的恐懼可以說是如影隨形
這樣的作品完全體現真正的恐怖 真正的「噤聲」上的恐懼 讓人體會戲裡戲外的恐懼
這樣的作品是能成為時代的經典的 是可以傳世的
是可以讓制作團隊 讓制作人得個什麼遊戲諾貝爾獎的
文人最想要的不見得是錢 要錢當初選理組就好了啊 現在有一個機會創造出一個
可以留名歷史的作品 你是團隊成員你幹不幹？反正又不是大陸人死不了啦

現在路都鋪好了 看該團隊要不要繼續走下去了
如果說之後沒人投資 那群台獨分子要不要出來投資啊 不要只會講幹話喔
請大家好好期待赤燭的下一個作品

對了 我再強調一次 這個消息絕對不是赤燭團隊的人告訴我的喔 是我夢到的
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將心比心吧
討厭支那還是討厭台獨
直接開幹沒有問題
如果你買支那遊戲來玩
玩的很爽才發現裡面偷罵蔡英文是母豬
不管怎樣被偷婊也會不爽吧
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[綜合]無題 [61篇回應]
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【心得】以一個對岸人的身份談談還願「彩蛋」
https://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?page=1&bsn=33763&snA=222&subbsn=0
首先，因為我的帖子可能損害了大家玩遊戲的心情，說聲「抱歉」。

進入正題，猶記得《還願》發售當天，大陸各大直播平台上「等待下載」刷屏的盛況，每個熱愛遊戲的人都很喜悅、很期待，因為繼《返校》之後，我們終於玩到了赤燭遊戲的第二款作品。大家都沒有忘記《返校》帶給我們的驚喜，給予了《還願》很大的支持……

果不其然，《還願》沒有讓我們失望，遊戲質量的過硬，使這款遊戲掀起了新的熱潮。不論是討論美心命運的悲慘，還是邪教與迷信的罪惡，人們喜愛著《還願》的一切……緊接著，就是線下活動的轉載，大家都在誇製作組「厲害」、「有用心在做遊戲」；兩百萬人的ACG社區「bilibili吧」的還願發帖量爆表，使得眾人調侃「你們不是bilibili吧，是還願吧」；lofter上的還願同人短短兩天就有了3000+，精美的繪畫和文章下面，是清一色的「哭爆」與「荷老師出來受死」，讓人心酸又忍俊不禁……

當然也有不和諧的聲音，有人質疑為什麼邪教叫「陸心會」，邪教頭叫「陸恭銘」；這個時候大家很團結地噴回去：「玩個遊戲也帶政治，不累嗎？」。因為大家相信傳播「花與愛」的赤燭不會以夾帶私貨為樂，相信除開沒完沒了的統獨嘴鬥，兩岸人民還有心平氣和討論的淨土……

一切都因ptt上的一篇分析貼而煙消雲散。
我看了帖子，內心沒什麼波動，因為罵的是習，習不能代表我，甚至不能代表大陸；可轉眼間心臟又開始抽痛，因為這代表了前面的那些猜測都是真的……習被罵我懶得管，但我若要是連自己「陸公民」的身份都開始否認，是不是太下賤？！我看到輿論在發酵，評論在反轉，玩家們紛紛倒戈；過去兩天的歡笑顯得無比滑稽，所有的期待與熱議都像夢一般不真實……那片淨土，還沒多少人登上，就淹沒在了海潮中……

我問自己的朋友，為什麼罵這麼狠，是因為政治上的不和嗎？他說：「不，我罵赤燭是因為感覺被欺騙。」誰能想到就在一天前他還轉載steam的銷量榜單給大家看，嘆息《還願》沒有賣出更多呢？

我也是《還願》的玩家，一個普通的對岸人，或者對岸的「滯納」。我覺得這個彩蛋卑鄙，因為它如此隱秘；我對這個彩蛋感到反胃，因為它不懷好意；我支持了《還願》，它卻反過來說我是邪教徒，這種背叛與欺騙的感覺讓我心碎，也讓我覺得所謂「淨土」是多麼渺茫的存在……

我不站習，因為他的當選沒有我的選票；我不站民粹，因為中東連年的戰亂為我敲響警鐘；我只想用掃帚掃掉我破碎一地的「玻璃心」，只想關閉一切社軟和論壇，只想拉著美心逃向沒有壞人的阿里山……

最後呢，我想笑笑赤燭……為什麼，要讓污臟的政治沾染自己，要讓支持你的人如此傷心？

赤燭不知道自己找到了治病的方法，我惋惜地看著那一片片鬱金香田燃燒著，在互相怨恨的火焰中化作灰燼。
此文不回復，只是單純抒發自己觀點而已。再次因為破壞遊戲體驗向大家道歉。
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有島民和我一樣嗎?
本來很討厭還願的
因為跟風廚加上工讀生各種吹捧
一點想玩的感覺都沒有
結果現在跑出一堆崩潰賤畜
反而開始想支持了
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我覺得這一切都在赤燭的預料之中

首批賣不好　叫好不叫座　才賣出十萬　

接下來就流出遊戲內容有貶低中國主席是維尼小熊的符咒

使遊戲在中國被下架封殺　來增加遊戲的討論度　

反中玩家湧入各大討論板　說是要支持台灣遊戲　相繼購買

目地成功　炒作一波　目前銷量呈倍數成長

所以我認為這一切都是赤燭在炒作政治話題

而蓄意在遊戲中放入政治敏感話題的素材

來操弄兩岸人民的情緒互相攻擊　達到熱度

製作遊戲的心思放在炒作　而非遊戲　令人感到捥惜
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有啥好道歉的？

事實證明只要對中國人民的胃口，他們還不是拿去用
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我認為茶是地球上最好喝的飲料

其他飲料應該廢除

響茶的品質最主要的因素有兩個 一個是海拔 一個是季節

海拔高的茶一定是比較好的 但是數量也少 市面上大多淺山茶

冬天的茶優於春夏的茶 但是冬天茶葉生長慢 產量也相對少

茶廠主要是賺冬茶

但夏天的茶便宜表示他不好嗎 其實不是

只是春夏茶葉生長快 產量高 價格自然往下壓 製程是一樣的

我有親戚家開茶廠 600~5000的茶都喝過

除了4000以上的茶喝得出不同 明顯提升的茶香口感

500跟2000的其實差異不算大

飲料店茶梗茶末泡的廉價茶 一杯賣30你也買 嫌500的茶濫

哀 綜合就是有這麼多沒見識的外行
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哇幹 這樣支那是不是又自打嘴巴了wwww
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傻逼
為了一時炒作 即使紅於一時
然後卻永遠斷了一條最大的財路
對誰有好處？讓台獨份子爽了一把 然後呢？
倒楣的還是自己 跟錢途過不去w
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島民以前不是都很自豪不跟風嗎
怎麼看最近的討論跟ptt和巴哈有夠像wwww
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「還願」裡的何老師，其實就是在反諷台灣人，把民主當成是慈孤觀音在拜，
信仰過頭的情況，把民主當成是絕對正義下，所造成的壞結局，
你可以仔細去推敲去想想，現況是否如此？
目前開發還願的赤燭遊戲公司為了止血，已連續發表好幾篇道歉聲明，
並在更新裡移除遊戲中嘲諷中國國家主席習近平是維尼小熊的符咒，
並且把錯誤集中到團隊裡不具名的某位成員身上，
但是我們永遠不知道他的身份，暗示這個人就是何老師，
赤燭道歉的內容，提到惡搞調皮的代價是無條件退款及失去投資廠商，
後續要承擔所有合約的損失賠償，道歉信中，
所有的創辦人的名字在最後列成一排強調失職，
呼應了杜爸爸把美心泡七天結局時坐在椅子上的後悔莫及，
還願正好發售快滿七天，在一片好評下，最終被反撲成褒貶不一的最好案例，
人的價值不在於你身在民主國家還是共產國家，
還願，其實就是仗著民主去攻擊共產，利用民主的光環執行的假正義，
民主被有心人當成武器利用，就如同慈孤觀音一樣。
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我認為玻璃瓶裝奧利多才是最好喝的飲料

其他飲料應該廢除
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出社會6年了 對於異性交往 我觀察出一個結論
窮矮肥禿都不是交不到女友的根本原因
看過22K有女友 看過160有165的女友 看過禿子胖子有女友(下略
"沉默內向 不會說話"才是男生的致命傷
阿諛奉承 外向 臉皮厚反而能抱得美人歸 記住這點吧島民
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小獵醬是不是變猿人了
[新番捏他]食戟之靈 299 [30篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=613885
[新番捏他]電鋸人 10 [42篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=613934
[新番捏他]學不來 問99 [38篇回應]
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https://mangashow.me/bbs/board.php?bo_table=msm_manga&wr_id=614200
[新番捏他]公主連結 動畫化 [102篇回應]
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錢多系列
[新番捏他]王者祭典 12 [46篇回應]
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https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=72487581

還是一樣好看...讚!
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隱形眼鏡手裏劍

https://twitter.com/HHy9i/status/1098866192410849280
[女性角色]1001 [23篇回應]
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外表跟服裝都頗色氣
但是人氣低迷到連Google大神都完全沒有被侵蝕的現象
雖然黑肉市場有一定的侷限性
但是也有尼托這個成功的前例在
果然除了劇本太差以外
就是這個厚唇接受度太低了嗎
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無本文
[女性角色]杜美心 [430篇回應]
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還有呼吸嗎？
[女性角色]陸奧改二 [24篇回應]
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不要玩陸奧
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晚ㄤ
最近島上都在討論還願
該跟風ㄇ?
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來畫畫喔
https://aggie.io/8ocvw12409
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>>其實我覺得中間的人臉有點像是學姊
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好島民 讚!

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1006510/discussions/0/1796278072836156944/
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再繼續拿政治做遊戲啊
當初怎麼紅的現在就怎麼死的www
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窮人靠念書翻身，在台灣絕對不是幹話
因為台灣學費太便宜了，學貸又氾濫，
只要能考上，一定能唸完。
假設以年薪百萬為翻身的目標， 台清交成中字輩的二類熱門科系
只能要進去，好好拚4年，成績別太差， 應該都很有機會
如果可以摸到醫牙的話，那就更能翻轉階級。
可是問題來了，很多人會覺得， 想考進台清交成中醫牙， 要自己很聰明，或者花大錢補習才可以
但窮人多半沒有這兩個要件，所以無法翻身。
其實這是一個迷思，像學測指考這種大考
真的很刁鑽艱深
IQ很高才能解出來的題目，絕對是少數， 大部分的題目只要你把教科書念爛
就算是死記填鴨也好，也已經足夠應付了
說穿了就是把自己訓練成考試機器而已， 不需要多聰明，只需要夠努力。
而且現在網路發達， 圖書館有免費電腦，到處也有免費wifi， 窮人家要翻身的資源更多了
只要你願意努力，台灣的環境絕對可以讓你脫離貧窮， 起碼到達年薪百萬
這一個基本的脫貧門檻。
然而最大的問題，是人窮志短， 不相信自己可以靠努力讀書脫貧
反而自我放棄，每天渾渾噩噩度日， 當你不聰明、不有錢、又不努力
自由民主的國家本來就沒義務要幫你脫貧，頂多賞你一口飯吃不要餓死，生病有健保用而已。
當然不讀書也是一條路，只是辛苦一點， 然而只要你持續努力，有設立明確的目標，正確的方向， 辛苦個5、6年，最後還是幾乎都能解決貧窮這個問題
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歐美人是不是不擅長感情戲 他們是不是本來感情就比較平淡的人種

美劇或好萊塢電影雖然緊張刺激

但都沒像看支那後宮劇一樣看了會熱淚盈眶…
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